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Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Bonanno rat Hector Pagan Jr pulled trigger in recent murder of a Lucchese family mobster

The ex-husband of “Mob Wives” star Renee Graziano may have to answer for a Mafia murder carried out just months before he assumed a featured role in the show, sources told The Post.
Hector Pagan, then a Bonanno crime family associate, took part in the robbery-murder of James Donovan, a Lucchese family associate, in the Gravesend section of Brooklyn in July 2010, according to sources and official documents.
Roughly a year later — while the VH1 reality series was still taping — Pagan secretly became a DEA informant and taped wiseguys.
On Friday, attorneys Ronald Fischetti and Eric Franz wrote to Brooklyn federal prosecutors, asking for information about Pagan’s role in the murder.
Hector Pagan
Hector Pagan
 
They represent Bonanno senior ruling panel member Vincent “Vinny TV” Badalamenti, whose arrest last month resulted in part from conversations secretly recorded by Pagan.

121 comments:

  1. i hope that junior gets fitted for some concrete shoes.
    just feel bad for his son the most

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  2. what as said in bar at ramona's halloween party (mar.4;episode #8)that made renee' and jr. leave abrutly? i thought i heard someone say "cop" when jr. was standing at bar waiting for a drink. ???????????????

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    1. Ah, yes, I remember that.

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    2. You're so right! That's why he wanted to leave so abruptly...smdh!

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    3. yea, the guy that made the comment"cop" definitely knew "something"! Too bad Renee' didn't find Junior's other cell phone..ya know the one the feds gave him!! I knew something was shady when he went and "turned himself in", and then that "rat smell" when Renee'and her friend called DOC and they would not allow any communication with Junior or give any info. I know how this crap works.....have had up close experience with feds and rats! totally get what Renee' is going through...hang in there lady!

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    4. omg i just had to recheck that, but yeah the guys says to junior "hey you know my friend, he's a cop" and junior just froze and walked away. that is awesome observation, impressive even.

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    5. I've always said BECAREFUL of the quiet guys they may be not be wanting to attract attn becos they wired up!Or they got a camera in their glasses forgettaaboutit. why are they so scared to share? why so uncomfortable? I been sayin this shit for 20 years and notbody wants to listen forgetaaboutit.why in the show didn't he go to the gym for his son? why didn't he call to say sorri, cos he was with police thats why! all you mothafuckas don't care to listen to me. eat shit and wash it down with a tall glass of piss! and don't bring this guys around me.

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    6. Hahahah. Ok ANONYMOUS.....HAHAHAH. Jim prendy

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  3. what a knucklehead

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  4. NO,they didnt say cop, a guy there said junior looked familiar and said you know and said some guys name and then said he's a cop and junior flipped out ,guess he was prolly worried the dude had seen him with the cop or something.

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    1. Omg that is sooooooooo correct..........I can't believe I didn't put that together....

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    2. Duh thats exactly what the previous comment said....bottom line someone said cop and junior left!

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  5. Wow.... And smack talking Renee is okay with him being a rat? I read it was becuz of him her dad got picked up again. Smh.... Don't play the game if u don't wanna follow the rules

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    1. considering she isnt talking to him and neither is their son....no..she isnt ok with it...get ur facts straight befor running it...

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    2. She didnt know

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    3. don't give Renee' any grief...she didn't know. It's not like the rat would come home and say "hi honey,I'm workin for the feds now!" those that turn, hide it from family and friends very well, I know this from experience!

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    4. Renee is far from okay about what Hector (Junior) did. Her father is 71 years old his sentence I think was 3 years. Not along time but at 71 it is. She was devastated, and has to walk away from someone she caired deeply for.

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    5. Renee didnt know she would never ever become a rat especially against her father she is now and will always be very loyal to her father

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  6. As an Italian American with no ties to this crap, I find it very disgraceful that these people pride themselves on "loyalty" and "respect". Who are they kidding. They would sell their own mother for a buck, quite frankly, selling their story weekly to "Bravo" only bolsters my claim. Their "secret" society has become nothing more than a reality show, and the likes of Capone and Costello are rolling in their graves

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    1. PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE FIRST LETTERS OF THIS (LOYALTY IS EVERYTHING..(L.I.E) ITS A LIE L.OYALTY I.S E.VERYTHING..JUST SAYING

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    2. wow ... what a genius

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    3. Not here in Chicago because Chicago has always been smarter, no offense, only when it comes to this life. It is a well known fact there has only been 2 rats in the history of this so called life in Chicago.. I don't know what it is with the NY families they flip more than gymnasts lol.. I feel bad for Renee and her son it breaks my heart really.. AJ is still TG's grandson and TG is legit, the realist.. AJ will be ok cause Of him, how can you not respect that guy, he does go by the rules, the old time rules.. I'm sure Jr left his son a note nobody knows about not even Renee.

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    4. Drita and Carla are the two most attractive characters on the show. Fortunately, AJ looks like neither parent as he deals with his father's ratting.

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  7. I worked very hard as a nurse.now I'm on disability.I wish I had the lavish homes and clothes and hair and cars as the mob wives but no money. I hope jr. Gets what he deserves. I love carla and drita and would love to meet the ladies someday.love the show.

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    1. I agree I would love to meet drita and big and. they might be the only loyal ones on the show and according to karen and ramona she's not from that life style but they can learn something from her

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    2. shoot carla turned out to be a jerkoff from hell this new season. and she expected her husband to never move on and build a new life without her. but she can screw whoever. get the hell out of here. she was nice now just a jerkoff.

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  8. Poor Karen was exiled from these people for years because of what her father felt he had to do. Renee was so against Karen coming back to NY. Unbelievable. I think Junior wanted to go back to jail to get away from crazy ass Renee and all her dramatics.

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  9. omg! renee is dying junior turned her dad in WOW

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  10. I feel realy bad for his son....Hes becoming a men and his father not be there for him on his time.... Rennes needs to be strong for her Son he needs her the most.... I Like washing the show but shit its becoming real personal in every moment of rennes life..... She realy needs to take care her health for the best being of her son....

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    1. I don't know why these guys never thought of writing what they wanna say down on a piece of paper after the person reads what the need done. They take the paper and burn it. Also, doesn't Graziano know your Convo is taped anyway in prison lol.. On the tape he really didn't say much he said not to hurt the guy ect. Sounded more like collecting money owed not loan sharking, that's another thing I don't get how stupid it's a damn crime to want your money back you borrow NO it is using force on the tape he said I'll take less and no no we don't want to hurt him. So if a friend owed me money and I said I want my money back and I'll beat your ass that would be extortion lol. Stupid desperate attempt by the FBI that's all they had you'll see he will get off of this one... He will get out and AJ will learn to be a man from a real man..

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    2. OMG Griselle, do a spell check next time. Embarrassing...

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    3. Lol, ikr, that was bad...

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  11. Junior is not Italian blood. Her father should never have trusted him and let his daughter marry that. Just sayin

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    1. Hey dummy, so your saying all WOPS are not rats?

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    2. Karen's dad was a BOSS RAT! All the others were snitched by best friend wise guys. Look what happened to Big Ang.
      also Carla's husband and Drita's husbands were ratted by
      guineas. Mob Wives created too much stir that could not be tolerated by the FEDs. Renee & her sister Jennifer put their dad in the hole. KNow that is call what people are talking about. What happened to secret society and take it to the grave. The sisters did it for a few bucks. They gave it up. Karen at anytime could vanish, lot of families hold a grudge and hate, cant blame them when your LIFE is ruined and now she is making money and they are sitting in tiny cells.Karen is the same RAT AS HER DAD SAMMY THE BULL.
      LEE HATES HER! CAN WAIT TO SEE DRITA BEAT RAMONA!

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    3. there are no Italian bambinos who wanna work, if they do they want 50% of the action if their asked to do someone they want 50k. outsourcing is where its at.

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  12. I belive Renee has turned her back on Juinor...her son has to be just shocked at everything that went down with his grampa and dad.I know it must have been hard for Renee to hear and belive everything, so my heart goes out to her. I hope she can try to have a relationship with her dad again.

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  13. Why didn't Renee see the signs? You could tell what was going to go down with him (RAT)! If you're usually going to be going to prison they don't let you just run around free to give you a chance to split town or the country. Jeez!

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  14. That's what happens when you marry a non-Italian who wasn't raised in that "Lifestyle". They didn't grow up w/the culture & loyalty to blood the Italians have. He bit off the hand that fed him his $$$/bread & butter for over 20 yrs! How dare he. He better stay under serious cover & I wonder what he'll do once the trials are all over & he's on his own? P.C. in prison for LIFE once he's nailed for this murder, or witness protection in which he WILL be hunted down 1 day in the future when least expected. He's doomed either way. AJ is the one who lost the most of all.

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    1. LMAO your an idiot!! how many of these raised "in the lifestyle"are now rating? your whole post is stupid. go kill yourself and do the human race a favor and don't have kids.

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  15. Renee is a drama queen and fu(k yo couch MJ lol. I wanna see Rob Zero perform on the show. Lol.

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    1. lmao!!!!!!!! u a fool

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  16. Saw the show, Renee is a basket case! She does not need anyone but Christ! A lot of the "humans" that she is putting her "life" in are letting her down! Watching this episode made me feel very sad for her; but as I said, she needs Christ! period point blank. There is a saying, "live by the sword, die by the sword." Jr is in need of prayer himself! Dang, this is really sad!

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  17. I think Jr is a shitbag and if you are going to live that lifestyle don't be a pussy

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  18. Jr....a rat....wtf.....i'm disgusted.....being real.....is a dying breed dez days i guess.....smh...

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  19. LOYALTY IS EVERYTHING L.I.E

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  20. Crazy shit! Unreal ....how can you rat on the man that brought you in. It's bad enough your dirty now what are you teaching your son. Like someone else said "you play the game you play by the rules" eating cheese is not in the rule book!

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  21. agreed Italian blood is a first step....no wonder junior was being so shady!

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    1. There's no such thing as 'blood' moron...if you need a passport and translator to travel to any particular country, then you can't claim it!!

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  22. What does "Italian blood" have to do w/ trusting someone, so you only trust your own nationality? The ignorance that comes out in peples mouth or what they write...smh..I think this shows some truth, but whatever the situation may be, loyalty would have been if this show wasn't created...my opinion

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  23. HE IS A RAT ,,,I GUESS HE DIDNT CARE ABOUT HIS SON

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  24. IMO La Cosa Nostra is no longer the way it used to be Joe Villachi started the trend of ratting! Not that I blame him. It was rat or be killed. I also think Sammy the Bull had no choice, John Gotti would have had him killed without question.
    If the FBI had not recorded Gotti discussing that very option I think Sammy would have remained loyal.
    If you choose that life I don't think you can trust anyone not even family. Hell Sammy killed his own brother-in-law!
    I do think that the Mob Wives are on thin ice, Renee' with all those histronics is bull shit, I have lived a very similiar life and trust me this is not Renee's first rodeo!
    I can see why her father is upset with her over the show. One minute she acts as though she is clueless and then not so much when talking about calling JOONYAH!! to take care of anyone she thinks needs a bashing PUHLEESE.
    Karen Gravano also needs to be careful her father is not indestructable neither is she, she may think noone can touch them now but going on how the mafia hold grudges I would still watch my back.

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    1. I agree with you 100%, Renee can not have it both ways. And Karen needs to focus on raising her daughter and not worry about the lifestyle.

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    2. Plz pay attention ppl, this all went down months ago. The "drama" is for all the ppl who watch weekly! Obviously use all are "watchers" not doers! Ratings, it should take a few more shows to get the whole RAT story out!

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  25. I used to like mob wives...I still watch it but since season 2....renee is the hugest drama queen.... 1st off u don't mix alcohol (DAILY) with antidepression pills....how is that helping ur mental issues? If u ask ME its makin it worse! She swears she hates the drama n all the bs between the girls,yet she PUTS herself in the middle and karen is trying to win an acting award to go along with her book to help boost sales! As far as loyalty and secrecy!? If things were so hush hush THIS. SHOW. SHOULDNT. HAVE. EVER. BEEN MADE!!!!!!!

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    1. Renee is nuts

      Karen is stirring up crap with everyone


      the show's awesome

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    2. I agree! This show is entertaining! But if they were so real as they claim neither one of them would have agreed 2 be on air. They love their lavish lifestyle, yet I haven't seen any of them wake up 2 go work. Except for Big Ang! I just feel these women r all fool of themselves & they r so proud 2 be in that life, like its something 2 be proud of. They all need 2 wake up $ get a real life. Wake up & get a job!

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    3. Cant wait to see Drita beat the s*** of Ramona!!

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  26. I guessthe gossip about Junior being with renee because of her father is at the bottom of the worry pile now huh? I feel bad for renee.

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  27. YEA Rob Zero get him on that show hez a new hot shot rapper

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  28. I was reading somewhere on this site about the attempted assasination of Sammy the Bull. The would be hit men had been to case out his place in Arizona. While doing this one of them had already decided that his co-conspirator would be killed as soon as the hit on Sammy was completed as the best kept secrets are when only one person knows the secret!
    The plan only fell through because Sammy was picked up on drug charges and sent to prison.
    Back in the day this is not what La cosa Nostra was all about.
    Once Valachi testified against the mafia it started a trend in self preservation, years ago even though a member of the mafia may know he was going to be killed, he would rather die than rat.
    In all honesty if I were in Joe Valachi's place or Sammy the Bull's place I think I would rat too, who would knowingly want to die or spend the rest of their lives in prison for a bunch of people who have no loyalty even if you don't rat you will most likely be killed because they think you might, not only that if you do the time years in most cases these so called loyal soldiers do not take care of your family you are on your own.
    I do not blame any of the so called rats even Jr.Pagan Renee's husband we do not know the back story it seemed as though he was all out for himself as far as prison time but who knows Renee's father may have wanted him dead he too may have had no choice (Just a thought).

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  29. Look, you all need to shut the f*** up. None of you are in his shoes. I'm not defending the guy but damn I'm sure more than half of you would've done the same thing to save your a**ess. Unless you're in the business you wouldn't understand none of them; from renee to jr and anyone involved. All you can do is jst watch the damn show

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    1. Love that! Your post makes the most sense! Thank you!

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    2. Love that! Your post makes the most sense from all I have read. At the end of the day you don't know what you would do. Unless you live it you will never know.

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    3. Stop breaking the law.

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  30. Speechless... Poor Renee... She is already a hot mess and now Junior ratted on her dad and skipped town... Probably gonna live next door to Karen's baby daddy and their daughter in Arizona!!

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  31. I love this show but damn all the women think they're Mike Tyson. I didn't see Jr ratting, crazy. At Ramona's party I think I seen Rob Zero in the background talking to Renee before Jr heard "cop". Anyways, I wonder how Renee is going to take it. I wonder if Soop goes out with Carla, she is a little older than him. He's no good for her, he's a whore

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  32. How embarrassing !

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  33. I feel very sad for Renee's son. He has had to deal with many hardships in his young life. He has a nutjob mother and stool pigeon for a father. I cannot imagine what he has to deal with right now, in light of his present circumstances. What Jr did to Renee is unforgivable and I hope it was what she needs to move on with her life. He obviously only cares about "Jr" if he ratted on her dad and a slew of others. What happened to OMERTA? Do not commit illegal acts that carry heavy penalties, if you cannot deal with being in prison. By the way, I hate Ramona. Drita needs to beat that stupid look off her face. She thinks she is sooooo hard and I bet she cannot back up anything she threatens. I love Drita, Carla and Big Ang...Ramona you SUCK, quitting writing checks your ass cannot cash!

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  34. im rob zero the real rob zero all you other fake rappers are perpretrating hero's so im gonna stand up now with a shade of slim , knock knock whos there ? ramona its rob let me in .. haha you all need go look back to the episodes me n soop was in .. btw .. we are accepting offers just contact our agents miss greeneyes and simply complex and no they are not lesbians but do parties if requested ..

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  35. I knew that was Rob Zero at the Halloween party. I wonder if he and Tas were chopping up it. They already worked together in the past and it would be nice to seem them lay a soundtrack for the show.

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  36. I remember that party, that was wild. If they do that then i hope they let Pattysmack son of daddysmack and nephew of mylde, chylde, and stylde on it, that would be a dope soundtrack.

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  37. i am fylde..i am appauled for the actions that have taken place for i was security at ramonas halloween party and i myself did not feel threatened for I am tougher than most for i am a former navy seal..i am not scared of the mafia for iam smarter than them and iam smarter than most. i once had got in a fight with a wise guy and he ran from
    me for I am bigger and taller than most..iam 6'3" 283 lbs of man muscle.

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    1. omg....are you a hot mess or what?

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  38. HEY IM GONNA BE THE MOB BOSS NEXT SEASON YOU ALL NEED RECOGNIZE !!!

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  39. These people need to grow their asses up! Maybe they should obey the law like everyone else in the world is expected to do. So, anything that happens to these guys, they bring upon themselves. And, the women need to quit acting all surprised and shut the hell up when their men get arrested or go to prison. They know what's up and that it was inevitable. Get out of your mob movie mentality people and grow up!!!!

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    1. First smart post I have read! 100%

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  40. I like how they all cry and it is always not their fault when someone gets caught. Hey if you were not doing any crimes you would not be in any trouble. I think it is bad to glorify these people who are robbers thief's murder's and they women sit around and cry about it but they continue to benefit from CRIME so you reap what you sew. I would love to have all the money and fancy clothes and cars but I was raised to be honest. I do like BIG ANG though for some strange reason...

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  41. I feel so bad for her son and her

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  42. did jr go into the witness program alone or with his girlfriend and his other kid???

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  43. I hope that snitch rat scum get his telling tounge cut out and they rip his still beatting heart out just like he did his ex wifes family how do u tell on blood thats the lowest

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  44. I don't think these women are crying because there men aren't guilty! They are crying because they've lost a loved one! Are they not human? Can they not grieve there love one's whether they are guilty or innocent! However, I do agree. You no what these men do, so don't be surprised. Renee said it herself "I don't blame the fed. government, that's there job." I also agree with Ramona, things just aren't the same as they use to be. You were a man about yours! If you went to jail, you stayed in jail! You don't rat and bring down everyone with you! In the old days if you were faced with ratting or death, you chose death!

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  45. IF U ALL WOULD NORMALLY FOLLOW THE MAFIA LIFE INSTEAD OF GETTING NEWS FROM MOB WIVES UD KNOW EVERY MAFIA MAN FLIPS ITS WHO THEY FLIP ON IS THE PROBLEM. HOW MANY LOYAL MEN ARE THERE THE WOMAN ARE MORE LOYAL. AND IF UR GOIN TO TALK ABOUT LOYALTY THEN JUST KNOW IF LOYALTY WAS REALLY A RECOGNITION RENEE WOULD HAVE NEVER JUMPED ON THE SHOW. NEITHER WOULD HAVE THE OTHERS.

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    1. perhaps they need the money to support their children because all the damn men are in jail?????

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  46. All reports say Junior in the witness protection program. Hell I would have turned myself in too if I had to put up with Renee and all her histronics.

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    1. I would had put a pillow on her face,then listen to her all day and night

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  47. How does he think he can hide after being on TV?

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  48. this whole thing is a shame. a son that don't have a father there for him and set no father figure for him to learn from. Renee is a mess and the person she loved the most and put her whole life into betrayed her. Junior is very selfish did he ever think of what his life style would do to his son and Renee. all these women are loyal yes I agree with that but they are all also strong and they should think of themselves and their children first and realize they could live a better life with out all the heart ache from these men. they all deserve a better life.

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  49. The Mob will be around forever. Its changed and harder to get the wise guys. The Mob has turned to Wall Street white color crime. The street wise guys on lower on the chain. They are the ones with the wires and easier to bust. The new Mob has gone high tech and dont wear wires. Those are the wise guys the FED's cant get. White color crime.

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  50. Drita, I watch your show. I feel very bad for all of you.
    I do not aprove of the show for many reasons. It is not
    entertaining for me. It is heart breaking. It is time to move
    on and not get cought up in the life style again and again.
    You have a good mind and you are a lovely woman. Look at your
    children and your heart ache will disapear. We all have choices to make. If we make the wrong choice for emotions that
    get to us, we are looking for trouble. I feel as a mother which I am a mom, we have to protect our children from harms way. The life style is very dangerous in all areas. We all get
    cought up sometimes, but when we know their is trouble down the road. We have to take a turn another way. May you choose
    your way with a clear mind. Pray to the Lord. He will help you. Sincerely LS,BX

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  51. Whats funny is I grew up on Staten Island. The Italian's that live on the island are the worst people on earth. Since they are young children they are told they are better than anyone because they are Italian. Meanwhile they are NOTHING like real Italians from Italy. In fact "real Italians despise these creatures. In Staten Island it is socially acceptable to be involved in some way to organized crime. "I gotta feed my family". Is something that your bound to here if your unlucky enough to be around these rat bastards. Italian criminals always hide behind the family excuse when in reality they really don't give a fuck about family. The women are treated as pawns in there world,. There is no respect for the significant other. They are cheated on constantly and expected to just except it. These are men who's Mommy's continue to spoil them. It is not unusual for these so called gangsters to be living with mommy into there 30's. A big problem is that in Mommies eyes there children can do no wrong. Since they are young they constantly stuck up for by there parents when doing wrong things. I grew up directly across the street from a family who's father was a wiseguy.When we were young he was killed and the sons grew up running a muck. At one point in there teenage years they had a full blown chop shop out of there garage where they would steal cars and at 3 am you would here power tools working on the vehicles. All while mommy was in the house knowing what was going on and did nothing. In fact mommy would go out of her way to defend her little angels when EVERYONE on the block would complain about them. They even robbed houses on the block and mommy still protected them. Now don't get me wrong im not saying there are no good Italian people in Staten Island. There most certainly are.I for one am lucky enough to call many my good friends.And these good friends of mine are just as disgusted as i am at the culture on the Island. What's so funny to me about "mob wives" is that they constantly refer to them selve's as being in the life style. When in fact they are just pawns in there mans world. There men show them absolutely no respect and you know that by there blatant infidelity,the way they are spoken to, and the fact that there is no consideration for what they are doing to them and there children when things finally catch up to them. Then when shit hit's the fan like little Mommas boys they "tell" on everyone else to try and save them selves. These people need to be exposed for what they are and what they really do instead of being glorified. Karen is the biggest asshole on the show and I hope that the revenge that should have been payed to her father is payed on her for trying to profit off of his evil. Yeah Karen your dads a real cool guy because he ruined the lives of hundreds of people by killing there (Dad, Granddad, Brother, Son, etc.) She has some nerve talking on T.V about her rat bloodline and I feel that karma is gonna catch up with her sooner or later. Also very little is said about her black baby daddy id like to see what Sammy thinks about that which is another story all together. Im, sure he's thrilled!! Bottem line is these people suck and I felt everyone should know why and the answer is MOMMY

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    1. If you need a passport and translator to go to italy then your not 'italian'..Being of italian descent and born in new york means you were born with two strikes against you and never had a chance at life.

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    2. Ia agree 100% Karen is a an asshole. I hope writing this so called book gets her into alot of trouble. Lets see how tough she is now. Lets see how the families that are still around take what she wrote them. She maybe sorry she wrote the book. I hope she meets her match.

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  52. What a big mouth and that drama that Renee has, she gives me a headache every time i watch the show.
    Mama mia

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    1. then don't watch the show!!

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    2. Are you talking to me.................... i didn't think so

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    3. They were talking to you and so am I. Go hate some where else.

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    4. All i can say is bitme........ Now let get back to that big mouth, drama queen Renee

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  53. I'm a cop in Miami, and I hope this rat fink rots in hell. Contrary to popular belief, 99% of real street cops hate rats. I feel bad for his son. All you leave your kids is your honor. If you take on a role, you die playing it. The Feds don't get it! They went after the cartels in Columbia and the organized crime in the states. Now we have Cartels killing americans right at our border in Mexico, and degenerate gangs in place of the mob. I never heard of a wise guy gunning down some inocents in a corner or killing a grandmother for initiation. Congrats FBI and DEA! Great job on destabilizing Mexico and increasing street crime in the US.

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  54. You idiots that idolize these criminal/thug/terrorists have no place in civilization. I dare you to live in italy, you'll come crying back with excitement just like your ancestors did for a chance at life!

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  55. fuck the police these cock suckers put jr. in this position. they knew what they were doin before they did it. they being the police ive been in the same situation. they tried to get me roll on my brother for drug related charges.dont trust police. protect and serve yea right. they just want the conviction they dont care how they get it. I feel for jr. even if i dont agree with his actions. hang in there JR.

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  56. I don't think what Jr did was right especially in regard to howhe did Renee's father and indirectly hispoor ex wife and son but at least I understand why now. If he murdered a made guy then maybe he felt he didn't have much of a choice. He knew people would find out and that he'd be a dead man perhaps even in jail

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  57. For the record, Hector Pagan Jr is suspected in at least two gangland slayings. One involving the botched robbery attempt of a Lucchese family associate, and the murder details have yet to be released. We will report it as it becomes available.

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  58. I LOVE THE SHOW, AND THE LADIES.I WAS RAISED WITH THE SAME VALUES OF FAMILY AS THEY HAVE,AND I'M SURE RENEE IS REALLY HURT BY IT ALL.HER BOY WILL GET THROUGH IT,IT'S A DIFFERENT TIME NOW THEN WHEN SHE WAS A KID.MOST PEOPLE DON'T TAKE THEIR HATRED OUT ON INNOCENT FAMILY MEMBERS OF THE RAT LIKE THEY DID IN THE OLD DAYS.I HAD A GREAT UNCLE IN THE MOB,BUT I NEVER MET HIM.MY DAD USED TO DRIVE TO MEXICO TO MEET WITH HIM,WHEN HE HAD TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY FOR AWHILE.(SAM GIANCANA)HE WAS IN CHICAGO.HIS DAUGHTER WENT THROUGH THE SAME LIFE STYLE. SHE CAME OUT AHEAD,AND SO WILL RENEE.

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    1. anntoinette giancana has always had serious mental problems; so does renee. Has anyone ever asked renee's sister why she is doing this show? money, obviously, but also obviously, both sisters have no loyalty to anyone. they are both so self centered, they can't see beyond the end of their respected noses. speaking of respect, why do mobsters and motorcyle gangs think they deserve respect? why does the catholic church and the general public tolerate them? why does the general public accept the so called gifts that motorcycle gangs distribute to children at xmas? everything boils down to money and to accept anything that comes from the HAVES to the HAVE NOTS.

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  59. Karen needs to watch her back.With this book it will open up old wounds.People who were maimed or the families of those who were killed will want some retribution.Whether it be physical or financial.She acts like a big deal.Karma is a bitch and it will come back 2 fold.She acts like a big deal she is attractive but she needs Jenny Craig.
    As far as Junior goes,Karma will be bitch for him.He is a walking bullseye.The drama queen Renee I care less about.It is AJ that I feel sorry for.I know someone who knows him and he is a great kid.One thing is Renee did a good job raising him.JUNIOR is trailer park trash and that line above his left eye makes him looks like a clown or a jester.

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    1. karen is definitely a walking bullseye although she has not disclosed anything in her book that was not already general knowledge. the "victims" of her father were all involved with the life of the mob. it's karen's general attitude that will really make some mob VIPs mad and she is an absolute target for the relatives of the people killed by her father.

      all of the women on this show have made themselves targets and their children as well as all their other relatives. there are still powerful crime families that just don't like they way these people are exposing even the subtle stuff.

      the children of these women will not be safe going to public or private schools. everyone knows who they are, what they look like, where they live.

      what in the hell are these women thinking by exposing themselves and their families in this way?

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    2. the women on this show all act like they are protected by the associates of their relatives. they are not. the associates don't trust them anymore.

      the bars that "big ang" owns, which have always been fronts for mob meeting places, will be swarming with reporters from now on. the mobsters who have trusted her will turn on her and she's a sitting target even from low life street criminals.

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  60. people, we are talking about murderers and killers and dishonesty, and liers ,cheaters, dont forget about the honest people who work follow the law and takecare of their families. dont feel sorry for any of those people , no matter weather there italian or puertorican, they choose the lifestyle that takes them to the grave or to jail. if your not doing wrong than noone should set u up or rat on you. they make the choices themselves. so for all you who are pointing fingers and feeling sorry for others ,dont cause they should be in a straight and narrow like god wants us to anyway. peace be with all the families of the people involved,

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  61. I can't belive it but crime does pay.


    "Do the crime and you'll have a big pay day"

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  62. To the retard above bout half way saying ramona not a part of mob lol.... Do some research who she is if not for her family carla would have no dad....

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  63. wow, i think people need to understand its a show!! not reality...who ever says crime doesn't pay has obviously never played the game...i can tell you first hand - yes it does and very well.!!!!!!!!!

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  64. i hope this rat fuck has to take the stand now ,with these new findings they got they should definetly put him up there

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  65. Drita's daughter, her oldest is being bullied in school!

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  66. It doesn't matter what mob life you are living. If you're on an irish, black, Italian, Latin mafia and talking about respect you're full of kaka because you will always be to busy in that life style and forget you have a kids wife and lots of cheating and jail time just like any thug out there.

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